Peer Review 3 JOE MILLER

Jeremy Creger

Review for Joe Miller

Brandon Bender

11/27/2012

Peer Review

I like the way this paper is introduced. However, in the beginning of the paper, the information Swales gave on disccourse communities should all be within quotation marks. "is defined in six points: a broad agreed set of goals, ways of intercommunication, ways of provide feedback and information, is comprised one or more genres, has specific language, and is comprised of new members and "experts" (471-473). As far as the rest of the introduction, I enjoy how Swales quotes are given to us, then told that they need to be updated based on the information you have gathered. This drew me in as a reader to see how Swales is not completely accurate.

I agree with the information provided about Gee and Swales definition about discourse communities and mushfaking. It is an intresting topic to think about when you have someone with "dual expertise". However, I would pick a different way to present your questions and research. The headings above the articles also need attention. In my opinion, that makes your writing a little bit too choppy and interrupts the flow.

The concept of the two groups within the one discourse is challenging for me. Anyone may attend these event, for any reason at all. The AMC to me is a multiple expertise group. Because of the groups dedication to music as listeners and musicians, this creates one solid group who take part in appreciating and creating the tunes.

Being able to define passive and active members with in a discourse makes us able to understand the goals of that discourse better. I completely agree, and the emphisis is well needed. Because we are not used to multiple expert discourses, the differences between the members helps us understand how they also work as one with in the groups. This paper is helpful when exploring a new definition of discourse communities.

Bell Hooks

QDJ
1. Hooks means that she wanted to create a different story for herself.  She wanted to live and remember differently through her writing, birthing a new identity.

2. Act of remembering is not always a representation of the truth. With this definition, I realize that writing has no limits, and can create a false sense of understanding or information to the reader. This does not have to be a bad thing, in Hook's writing, she is attempting to leave behind her stuggle of a childhood in order to create a new identity.

3. Hooks uses an image of pain and dispair to frame her writing.  I feel she did this in order to explain her reasoning of creating a bio-mythology.  Not to make the reader feel bad, but to understand her reason for the text.

AEI
1. I do not think her using the phrase "kill her former self" does not at all effect the reliability of her article.  If anything, it is her life, and we as readers are lucky enough to be able to put ourselves into the pain she had, and the obsticles she overcame with her writing.  My view is not complicated. Instead, I clearly understand and can see where she is coming from while she wrote her autobiography. It makes the mood and voice of the article that much more detailed.

Sticky Embrace Of Beauty

This advertisement is reckless. From the straws, to the word "junkie", and lets not forget the look of reget and well, quite frankly it looks like nothing is going on in her head.  This messege is not okay for society's standards, but more importantly to women in general.

QDJ

1. I agree with Wysocki. With contrast, repetition, alignment and proximity make the reader key in on cetain parts of an image. It is acceptable to view the ad based on those standards, although the argument for nudity and exploiting women.

2. Having the image spoon fed to you via text is very helpful. It helps me as a writer and a reader to understand why we become attached or focused on key points in an image, reguardless of the sexuality or explicit nature of the image.

3. I find the book very appealing, and no, not because of the suggestive nature of the photograph. But rather the concept on how pictures are made appealing for all audiences.  A women may not want to see suggestive pictures of another women, or a man viewing another male.  But after reading this article, the reason I feel the Kinsly Institute created this book in a sort of ironic way in order to give the audience an example of this detailed imagery based on societies typical exploitation.

AEI
1. Artwork can be interpreted in different ways in different situations. Many times artwork is related to personal feelings or passions. I have had different felings on a piece of art.  That is okay, no one has the same exact mind, or passion.

2. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I believe there is a person for everyone out there. People look for different qualities in people  A match in these qualities can create a spark in a person. But we do construct beauty as a society. There are many social factors that effect decisions. Such as models, advertisements, televesion, and movies all help shape what society thinks is beautiful or appealing.

3. I agree on Wysocki's ideas on how to view an image. All suggestiveness aside, the contrast, repitition, alignment and proximity all can be considered subconcious ways we view an image. After our subconcious studying of an image, we then develop feelings and opinions of tha image.

MM
Wysocki's statement is very much in relation to her article. It pushes us as an audience to learn the social and temporal expectations of visual composition. This can be said for all forms of art. There are tricks an artist can use visually to shape a way a viewer sees an image, similar to how a writer can make a reader perceive the text.

Heilker and Yergeau

I understand Autism as a rhetoric because it is involve with many different forms of communication. After watching the video on autism in class, it is cool to see that Autistic people can interact with normal language, but then they take it deeper to "interacting with the world constantly".  People with autism tend to keep their types of communication to themself.  As writers, a lot of the time we do the same thing. We tend to close off some things, and go more deeply into others. Understanding Autism creates a parallel with normal rhetoric in this case. And a lot of the time I enjoy going in depth into specific pieces in my writing, because those pieces are closer to the heart and more dear to me. Very similar to the way Autism works.

Jim Henson

Throughout Jim Henson's movie, I couldnt help but notice the vast difference in societal points of view. Sexual assult was the topic that hit home for me the most, because I unfortunatly have close friends who have survived an ordeal. Back then, society was constantly exploiting women and blaming them for any woe they may have encountered.  Society took all power from women and it was placed in the men's hands. So if a women was raped, it was her fault.  But from a mediator position, it is not fair to put blame on a victim already strpped of importance and power.  Today, similar discrimination takes place, however now sexual assult is seen as negative and illegal in societies eyes.  This is the way it should have always been.  This helps protect women but also give them the power to stand up and voice what else is wrong. 

Perseus, being the son of Zues, was successful with the slaying of Medusa. Although he is a son of a God, he had to learn and overcome adversity. Myths are useful, for lessons and arithmitic. However, people will soak in these lessons different ways, based on their own life experiences. With this in mind, I think it is fair to say Myths cannot be considered a legitimate construct.

Alexander

Male
- Masculinity
- Less emotion
- Strong
- Higher management positions
- Straight forward

Female
- Feminine
- Emotional/more passionate
- Underdog status in the career field
- Go behind back, talk around.

 Masculinity and Feminine qualities do tend to sway our writing. But I do not believe it needs to. Transgender writing take the qualities from men and women, combining for a more diverse and open form of writing.  If males and females alike should be tested for their writing techniques and possibly be required to take thier opposite course.  This way we are more open to different styles and are possibly able to adapt, becoming more experienced writers.

Delpit and Smitherman

Analyizing Gee's article a second time opens up my eyes a little bit more to the struggles of writing.  Gee comments on Primary and Secondary discourses, Pimary taking place at home, and secondary with your social life.  Delpit explains how these discourses can create a "literacy gap" between races, cultures, and genders. So we must adhere to this and create a way so these people do not have to overcome obsticles to the aquisition of higher-level writing. 

I understand the frustration behind african americans. I understand that hundereds of years of enslavement and lack of education help mold the "black english".  And after all that time with developing their own slang and form of english, society will not accept this academically.  Which I do agree with in a way.  Because we are able to say as a majority that this is not acceptable, doesn't make it right. Approaching from a different angle perhaps in order to ensue that all students are able to build off of their own induvidual abilities, and progress be graded.  Not a grade based on a standardized understanding.

Flynn

I agree with Flynn's point of view on the feminine nature of teaching and learning writing. A feminine point of view can be considered a more creative point of view. Also, taking out more of the structure of academic writing can help a student learn. Males and Females develop differently along with ther intractions with others. Feminists argue that this stems from an imbalance in social order.  I do believe this to be true.  Women, since time began, have been repressed, and silenced.  So it doesn't surprise me to see that womens writing ideas and constructs has been put to rest as well.  It is very pleasing to see women branching out, and able to create their own courses in writing.  A feminist writer infuenced an entire generation, that is how important writing is.

discourse community rough draft

Jeremy Creger

English 1510

11/13/2012

Gathering

Discourse communities have the ability to be seen as derogatory or obscene by non-members. Musical discourses can be difficult to decifer because of the various groups of people who attend a concert. However, the Insane Clown Posse has a special event for their hardcore discourse every year. The event in which ICP's discourse community comes together is simply known as "Gathering of the Juggalos". "The Gathering of the Juggalos is unlike anything you have ever experienced before. It is not simply a show, a concert, a music festival, or anything of that nature. It is an EXPERIENCE" (GJ.com). The reason this musical community can be considered a discourse, is because of the dedicated people who attend. Through learning about these people, it gives others the opportunity to understand why this gathering is essential to their lifestyle.

A discourse community stemming from a musical group is rare to find.  Most musicians can attract a variety of people with a wide range of beliefs and values.  However, the Gathering of the Juggalos is five days out of the year where Juggalos and Juggalets join together to celebrate love and unity for one another. One Juggalo was tested with his faith of the discourse community and responded by saying, "It's a lifestyle, it ain't a music choice. Just do what you do, don't hate on people because their different.  See the difference and love them for who they are" (Documentary 4:00). This belief is overlooked by those judging the members of the gathering, because those people are different from most.  "Very often dominant groups in a society apply rather constant "tests" of the fluency of the dominant Discourses in which thier power is symbolized" (Swales 486).  Insane Clown Posse's music fails mainstream socities "test" when it comes to being "appropriate".  However, this Discourse could care less, because the music is just an example of why the members accept people from all walks of life.

The musical group Insane Clown Posse self proclaimed themselves as the "most hated band in the world". Typically, having that negative label would push away members of that particular discourse. However, ICP feeds off of the negative energy of social media and other discourses, and embrace each other as one large family.  Juggalo's join together from disapproval of their previous community. "Juggalo is the title that bonds us together, but the truth is, being from different walks of life and being from cultures so astranged from one another, each person takes their own bits and pieces" (Documentary 2:37).  This idea creates a culture driven on love, and acceptance of any one member's past.  This discourse will be frowned upon regardless of it's true values, because if something in a discourse community seems negative, it is immediately judged. A juggalet is asked about the concept of family and why people are driven to this community. The woman in the video easily points out the man to her left saying "He's not my blood, but goddamnit he will be the closest thing I will ever have to blood; And the scene, through crying people that people look down upon because of what they listen to or their appearance" (Documentary 3:22).  The fact of the Juggalos discourse is to be accepting, and for all judgement not to be passed on to one another.

 Societies as a whole strive to be politically correct.  In this case, being politically correct consists of setting common values amungst a majority of discourse communities.  A majority of discourse communities find the use of curse words negative, often time passing down punishment to youths who use it.  Through the culture of the Gathering of Juggalos, a curse word does not make a person rude or appear to lack self-control.  Rather, language is not judged at all.  "I'll tell you for real about being a Juggalo, that shit made me the motherfucker I am today. I don't want to think of the motherfucker I'd be" (Doc 5:50). This lack of a boundry on language is a great example at the lack of judgement and the true feeling of unity amung the group.  In Writing About Writing, John Swales talks about the conceptualization of discourse communities. "A discourse community has mechanisms of intercommunication among its members" (WAW 471).  Juggalo's have little to no rules on their intercommunication.  This creates an image of a free-spirit nature, which is accurate.

Recently, "Juggalos" made it on the F.B.I.'s ganglist.  This has angered many people of the Discourse, urging them to give people a true understanding of the group.  According to the F.B.I. "Most crimes committed by Juggalos are sporadic, disorganized, and induvidualistic" (F.B.I).  After reading the F.B.I.'s explaination, it is difficult to compare a Juggalo to a gang member.  Yes, gang members and Juggalos both do not carry the same accepted values and beliefs of most Discourse Communities. Juggalos however, are repulsed by the label of being a gang, and constantly work to defend themselves. "I'm not saying there aren't Juggalo gangs out there, but to call Juggalos themselves a gang, is a very big misconception" (Documentary 3:08).  There is a point to consider; That point being that there are always bad apples.  No Discourse is truely close to utopia.  With this in mind, the F.B.I.'s explaination for a "Juggalo Gang" is consistant with any groups output of an outliar.

(STILL ORGANIZING INTERVIEW & CONCLUSION TO FOLLOW AFTER KEY POINTS REITERATED)



 

discouse commuity intro

Jeremy Creger

English 1510

11/07/2012

         Discourse communities have the ability to be seen as derogatory or obscene by non-members. The musical group Insane Clown Posse self proclaimed themselves as the “most hated band in the world”. Typically, having that negative label would worry members of that particular discourse. However, ICP feeds off of the negative energy of social media and other discourses, and embrace each other as one large family. Drugs, alcohol, and being free spirited are all stereotypes associated with the ICP family, although there are many members that are proud to say they are clean, and gather with others because of love and unity. Now, the illicit use of illegal drugs is wrong, but through ICP’s discourse, the community attempts to justify their use through strength in numbers and spiritual experiences. For this paper, I will be using a documentary American Juggalo, among other sources that give a detailed look inside the life of an ICP follower.

        When I first heard of ICP I thought of one word, ignorance. For anyone to actually enjoy the music that is considered demeaning to most seems reckless and confusing. But if there is one thing to learn about discourse communities as a whole, it’s that you can not judge a discourse from it’s reputation or it’s level of political correctness. Rather, take an in depth look and spend time with in that culture, then it is fair to form an opinion. In American Juggalo, it is quoted many times that the best part of being a juggalo is “family”. Not in the blood sense of the word, but rather a gathering of misfits, all accepting each other. Many Juggalo’s and Juggalet’s (women) have joined the gathering because of unfortunate life situations. This creates a big sense of pride for ICP followers, because even though they may come from different walks of life, if you prove your respect and love for others, it is likely you will be embraced as a juggalo.

Swales

"We need then to clarify, for procedural purposes, what is to be understood by discourse community and, perhaps in the present circumstances, it is better to offer a set of criteria suficiently narrow that it will eliminate many of the marginal, blurred and controversial contenders" (pg 469).  This is where Discourses are weeded out.  Many people that are looking for something specific to be a part of.

"A discourse community has a broadly agreed set of common public goals. These public goals may be formally inscribed in documents (pg 471).  Discourse Communities are inspired as a whole, collective unit.  This way there is no misunderstanding in who is accepted and what that discourse practices.

"A discourse community has mechanisms of intercommunication among its members"(pg 471).  After spending a large amount of time together, discourse communities may come up with slang or inside communication among its members.  This may create a barrier for people intrested in learning about that discourse.

"A discourse community uses its participatory mechanisms primarily to provide information and feedback" (pg 472).  These communities follow certain goals and beliefs that may be pre-existing. So relaying information is one of the primary concern.

Gee

"Laguage is a misleading term; it too often suggests grammer"(pg 483).  Language should not mean being able to interpret the grammer structure.  Rather, understand communication as whole.

"A Discourse is a sort of identity kit wich comes complete with the appropriate costume and instuctionson how to act, talk, an oftenwrite, so as to take on a particular role that others will recognize" (pg 484).  People are not contained to any one discourse.  As a matter of fact, there are multiple discourses we engage in everyday.  From our interactions with close friends, to a sports team you may prefer, and even our side of certain issues.

"There is, thus, no workable affirmative action for Discourses: you can't be let into the game after missing the apprenticeship and be expected to have a fair shot in playing it" (pg 487).  So if one isn't a part of the group, it is likely they will not .accepted into the Discourse, until they first prove their worth or knowledge.

"Very often dominant groups in a society apply rather constant tests of the fluency of the dominant Descourse in which their power is symbolized" (pg 486).  Our Discourse in school exposes us to standardized testing.  This is the way that particular discourse tests to see if we have been successfully accepted as a student.

Brandt

Brandt believes that literacy is a key tool towards the success and the running if our society.  I do agree with this.  During our childhood, when we are a lot more more innocent and immature, companies will step s few levels down to your literacy level in order to relate.  But what happens to the adults that can't read or write on an appropriate way based on their age.  In this case,  adults like the ones explained in the article have to take responsibility for themselves in order to lift their literacy levels.  Dora was born on a border town of Texas and Mexico.  Her Mexican parents couldn't even teach her Spanish.  Yet, Dora taught herself among others in her family in order to rise above and function properly within our literacy system.  With out people like this, we wouldn't be able to understand the importance of literacy.

"Sponsors enable and hinder literacy activity, often forcing the formation of new literacy requirements"(pg 344).  Literacy sponsors have a big influence on modern standards of what literacy may actually mean.  If you shy away from these standards,  the adopted sponsors may deem you illiterate.

Thesis and Synthesis

 A thesis refers to an explanation of a topic or purpose of the paper.  This statement is crucial to the structure and information in your writing.

Indiana University has provided three main reasons for explaining why a thesis is relevant reason to introduce the purpose of the paper.  Starting with, "the ability test a writing's ideas by distilling them into a sentence or two" (Indiana).  If not properly expressed, it could be difficult to use your ideas throughout your writing.  For example, it is possible to have too many different ideas in one paper.  Therefore, creating a situation where a paper could be all over and have no real purpose.  If an audience is not able to follow a paper's argument, then what is the point in writing the paper in the first place? Annoying ass teachers have preached it through student's adolescent years; Make sure to have your thesis statement completed before starting your introduction.  Typically, students are robots through their teenage years when it comes to English constructs.  The thesis statement deserves so much more.  This "Thesis Statement" allows for a go ahaid pass for a smooth sailing paper.  It should also be noted as a fail proof statement that frames a writing accordingly.

Indiana University's second reason for thesis statements necessity is equally important.  "To better organize and develop an argument" (Indiana), means to be able to have a flow of of arguments from one subject to another.  Blocked, bland writing can be too choppy to a reader.  By providing just a thesis, the reader can know to fasten the seatbelt and get ready for the waves of compelling arguments!  Papers will be bleak if a thesis was not provided.  If a writer has a significant thesis with facts, and a strong passion for the writing at hand, they would be much more successful than if that same writer carried on and on with no purposeful argument.  A disorganized piece of writing may be compelling if it contained a mysterious or twisted plot.  However, with academic writing and work in general, organization is key and will help to create an easier path to that easily eluded A.  A well thought out thesis would lead to sketch of your argument.  Dartmouth writing department explains,  "In sketching your argument your goal is to fill the page with your ideas." (Dartmouth). 

A reader should not run aimlessly around a piece writing.  Instead, Indiana University's third reason of proving thesis statements are crucial, is the statements ability "to provide a reader with a "guide" to your argument." (Indiana).   A reader is supposed to keep an open mind to be able to appropriately interpret the opinion of the writer.  With that honesty in mind, the best thing to do is telling the reader how you feel, and how are you proving the causes of those feelings.  Thesis statements may consist of two sentences, but always keep in mind it is the reason for picking up the piece of writing,  the argument your going to make, and how you believe you are right.  This powerful hook is what writers use as a net underneath them so to speak.  The writer should use a thesis statement to always be safe and clear with their explanation to the reader.

Bernhardt

QDJ

4) I believe I'm supposed to write in a specific format for a universal structure of a text.  So an academic community may be able to easily follow your writings flow.

AEI

3) Gestalt is used as a way to hook and make the audience perceive things.  Writing can create visual sensation through making certain things stick out behind certain backgrounds, and others are grouped among common things.

Porter

Per-Reading

I usually use any resource available with my writing.  I will admit that grammatically I am not the strongest.  Furthermore, the only way possible is to have my writing scanned over multiple times from an array of different people.  I also ask for opinions on my arguments, and how I present them.
With my thesis, I am always open to changes.

QDJ

4) Porter's argument on the writings acceptability in a community is spot on.  For example,  in the academic community, I believe it is acceptable to have almost any subject matter.  This is due to the academic standard of writing I've come to learn.  That is, if you can back up your claims with facts and a well made argument, then the writing should be accepted by the (academic) community.


5) Porter seems to have contradicted himself a bit with the intertextuality.  He uses some facts in his article that is consistent with not creating originality.  But reading his article through, he proposes these ideals in a way that I haven't read.

AEI

2) With Porter's argument of plagiarism,  he talks about how the struggle of intertextually could lead to plagiarism itself.  Not only not citing someone's work, but not making an effort to create original text is also plagiarism.

M.M.

I have never really thought of writers being more or less alone in their writing process.  I have always thought it depends on the context and an argument or information you are passing along to an audience.  Different people have different knowledge on specific subjects.  Using those resources are within the limits of plagiarism, however you still have to make an effort to structure your writing in a new and original way.





M.M.

Lamott response

Review

Anne Lamott did a good job of relating shitty first drafts to students.  I know I never feel like a million bucks when I begin to write.  But she goes on to say that professional writers go through the same thing.  The first draft is the child's draft, one that is not well framed and you let all of your thoughts pour out and romp around.  Almost all good writing begins with terrible first efforts.  The article was very easy to relate to and made me feel better as a student.  I understand you have to trust the process and get your thoughts down and you'll work it out down the road.

Peter Elbow

Pre-Reading
My identity on my Facebook or other forms of social media are very similar.  I try not to misrepresent myself.  My profile is consistent with the way I speak to my friends in person.  Why would someone use the Internet to be someone they aren't?  Eventually the real you will always show.


QDJ

1) Voice to me is the tone of a reading, that could affect the reader's perception of a writing.  I've always seen similar definitions of voice and they all relate back towards tone in writing.  I do believe that if you write with an honest and creative voice, then your writing can be successful.



2) Info graphics are voiceless for the most part.  However, a lot of the time those graphics have underlying messages that people can take as voice.  Concentrating on strict logic and meaning can be tricky.  I don't completely agree with elbow stating if you cannot you at illiterate.


AEI

1) Sincerity is the use of a voice that relates and draws the reader in to a writing.
Resonance is used in voice while a writer is getting their response or opinion across.

M.M
It was a little confusing to read Elbow's opinion on different uses of voice.  And how he sees necessary to use sincerity and resonance, yet he does not believe in compromise?  So I'm not entirely sure if it is possible to create that in a writing.  However, I suppose you don't know until you attempt it.

McCloud&Berger

McCloud

Pre-Reading

I do still see myself as a Scooby-Doo type character.  I have always been the type of person to do something only after having motivation to do so. ie. scooby snacks.  Also, both of our laid back soak it in lifesyle is similar.

QDJ

2)  McCloud usescomics to drawn his readers.  He does it because it allows the reader to itract more with the writing.  If he did not use the comic strip method, it is likely the reader would have given less thought.

3)  I believe the particular theory about the realistic state of a messenger.  We are able to fill in the "blank state" of a character because that specific character does not have a solidified nature.

AEI

1)  Visual imagery would very much benefit towards lessons.  Seeing that most of the world's updatescome through some form of social media, it only seems right for more to be taught through visual representations.

Berger

Pre-Reading
I would draw a woman from a sideways point of view. She wouldbe nude, not naked however.  Body position in pictures usually create a mystique of seduction or innosence.

QDJ

2) You see women used in many beauty and cosmetic type ads.  The only reason I think this frequently happens is because of the way women are subjected in our society.  There are frequently used in ads. 

4)Berger is writing the article towards an audience that is learnig about the voice in a writing.  Examples used included the physical presence of a man, combind with his promise and is credible. And then theres the woman who is interior and has a look on the attitude with in herself.

5)

AIE

1) The Sculpture David.  Creates a man of perfect physique and stature.  Comparing how dominant he is compared to the average man. There may have been a generation gap based on the specific sexuality of the 1500's photos compared to the 1600's. It may or may not change the way people view it. 

Meta Moment

I can understand reading more in depth to naked vs. nude.  Nude are more commonly used in subjective senarios with women.  Where as, naked has typically been used to portray more of an artistic moo, based solely on the beauty of the body.

Berkenkotter and Murray

QDJ

1) Murray's article was structured a little different than mine.  As he talks about his belief of writing and thinking are together in the same art.  I do agree with his structure there because I usually jot down notes, ideas, or even the opposing argument as I write my paper.  The reason being, I record the thoughts I am having as I draft my paper.  When it came to his answering structure for his writing, we differ a bit. I try not to block so much and create a sort of flow.


3) After the article, Berkenkotter credits Murray for his study of internal revision.  She saw that Murray came upon this revision during his thinking out loud exercise.  To accomplish this, Murray looked at the writing through the point of view of the audience.  This internal revision consists of discovering and developing what the writer really means to say.


AEI

1) being painfully honest, a lot of the time I spend my writing listening to music and quickly grinding out the facts for content in my writing.  My level of writing experience is high if being correlated to the amount papers I have written.  However, if we are discussing experience with using consistent and diligent writing constructs and thinking, I have little.  My mannerisms while writing my paper have everything to do with the amount of time I spend in various parts of the writing process.  I usually have an idea of what I am writing as I'm writing it so I speed through.  After reading these articles, I know it will help to write more of my thoughts down and focus on the content in front of me rather than my music, dog, ect.

Sarah Allen

Informal writing

It's kind of goofy to read about writing.  But it is starting to make sense.  The questions That students asked in Sarah Allen's article are all questions I would ask to a professor, but never think to.  I've always seen writing as bland, and a key tool needed towards not only academic success, but also assist our communication skills. Because structured wiriting is like an argument. (Thanks Kleine)
I suppose it is a confidence boost to see that some of the greatest writers also struggled at some point in their life.  Not that I am saying I will one day be a "great" writer. However, after learning the best place to always start is with your teachers. In high school, there are few who consistently use their teachers as guides.  In college, most teachers are professionals in their field and can provide you with the essentials you need to have to write a full content and structured paper

Assignment #2

Topic Proposal
At what lengths should we go to in our writing to make our argument heard.


QDJ

1. Kantz contends that facts, opinions, and arguments are actually all usable with in certain context.  They are all used in persuasive writing to communicate to the reader.

2. Students did not understand to possibly think about conflicting text in "factual" reading.  Students also misread texts as narratives. Many students do not understand facts as claims to be used for persuasive writing.  I personally enjoy exploring conflicting facts through my research.  It intrests me to know why.  I also unfortunatly read many sources as if they were narratives, and lack to make an effort to incorporate those in my writings in a different way.

IAE

2.  The way I have usually linked creativity and research is through the writing of my paper.  Not looking for a specific structure however, just finding different ways to phrase my research.  Although,  with Kantz' help, I see it is important to begin with your research in a creative way.  To be open to conflicting facts, explore, and voice your own argument in a way to bring new light to your paper.  No one wants to just rephrase someone's research.  It should be about shaping it into your own personal text and use it for a persuasive manner.

Jeremy Creger
Eng. 1510
August 30, 2012

Summary

 

 

Pages twenty-two through thirty-three of WRITING ABOUT WRITING  was a very informative section on an experiment of hunter and gathering types for research articles.  During this experiment, Michael Kleine interviewed eight different people with different majors to explore the way in which they begin their writing/research.  However, Kleine did not tell the interviewers of the chart and where they were plotted on the scale of hunting and gathering until after he made his annotations.  During the feedback, none of the subjects remembered writing for an authority figure, rather, for a concerned community of peers. Kleine noticed a division between the many sciences and social sciences he interviewed.  Perhaps, he thought, the division expresses the different thoughts and attitudes between the sciences.  People varied when it came to beginning by reviewing factual text or  beginning by writing their thoughts and goals through framing. I do agree with Kleine when he says the model does have its limitations, but I also believe that it has tremendous potential to expand a writers approach and abilities.

 

QDJ

 

1.  It is eye opening to read about Kleine's findings.  I found guilt settling over me because of the way I structure my writing and dive into searching for facts.  Many times I have ignored actually alligning myself with a point of view, and half heartedly search for supporting facts for my thesis.

 

3.  The role of the sources are always important, however, the obtaining of these sources vary amung the different attitudes of the sciences.  That directly alligns with my research depending on the type of course or subject I am studying.  For example, searching for english sources requires a research of high level academic writers.  Where as, history is a subject that makes it much more enticing to chop shop a paper together with many facts.

 

4.  I would change my reasearch by focusing more on the gathering end of the spectrum. I would most likely need to develop my pattern seeking abilities.  Based off my past experience with research, my ability to do so is almost non exsistant.